Comments on BlueTruth: Anna Baltzer out of the Middle East

Interesting how you cherry picked one month for ef...

2011-04-08T17:29:01.050-07:00

Interesting how you cherry picked one month for effect. If I were to cherry pick, oh, lets say August 2001, my list of israeli casualities would look like this
* Giora Balash, 60, from São Paulo, Brazil
* Zvika Golombek, 26, from Karmiel, Israel
* Shoshana Yehudit (Judy) Greenbaum, 31, from Passaic, New Jersey, USA
* Tehila Maoz, 18, from Jerusalem
* Frieda Mendelsohn, 62, from Jerusalem
* Michal Raziel, 16, from Ramot, Jerusalem
* Malka Chana (Malki) Roth, 15, from Ramot, Jerusalem (memorial) (originally from Melbourne, Australia)[2]
* Mordechai Schijveschuurder, 43, from Neria, Matte Binyamin
* Tzira Schijveschuurder, 41, from Neria
* Ra'aya Schijveschuurder, 14, from Neria
* Avraham Yitzhak Schijveschuurder, 4, from Neria
* Hemda Schijveschuurder, 2, from Neria
* Lily Shimashvili, 33, from Jerusalem
* Tamara Shimashvili, 8, from Jerusalem
* Yocheved Shoshan, 10, from Jerusalem
They were killed eating pizza with their families, not while "engaging in military activities"

Other reasons for the difference in casualty rates:
1. Israel protects its citizens better than the PA or hamas does
2. Martyrdom is not promoted by Israel
3. 13 yr-old - 17 yr-old Palestinian boys engage in dangerous militant activities regularly from rock-throwing, to molotov cocktails, to guns, and are used as human shields by their elders
4. Palestinian children are frequently around munitions, bomb factories, and rocket-firing sites which are dangerous
5. there are armed fights between warring Palestinian groups struggling for power--children get killed in the crossfire
6. Israel has state of the art medical facilities. Though many Israelis are injured, many lives are saved by heroic medical treatment.
7. Palestinian mortality figures are padded

And lastly, It was really hard to copy that so som...

2011-04-08T15:36:00.434-07:00

And lastly, It was really hard to copy that so some names may either be omitted or doubled, see link below for actual documentation.

http://rememberthesechildren.org/remember2009.html

Abdul-Rahman Muhammad Radwan Ashour, 11, of Gaza C...

2011-04-08T15:34:44.490-07:00

Abdul-Rahman Muhammad Radwan Ashour, 11, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by an IDF missile in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.
Abdullah Jihad Husein Juda, 15, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Gaza City's Sheikh Radwan neighborhood.
Ahmad Fawzi Hasan Lubbad, 17, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by the IDF while engaging in military activities in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.
Nadr Basam Ibrahim Qadoura, 17, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shell shrapnel to his head in Jabalya.
Hussam Raed Rizq Subuh, 12, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while standing among a crowd of people in Beit Lahya's al-Salateen neighborhood.

7 January 2009 Anas Aref Baraka, 8, of Wadi al-Sal...

2011-04-08T15:34:20.559-07:00

7
January 2009
Anas Aref Baraka, 8, of Wadi al-Salqa, near Deir al-Balah, Gaza, died in an Egyptian hospital of head wounds sustained Jan 4. from IDF gunfire in Deir al-Balah.
Abdullah Muhammad Shafiq Abdullah, 11, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Jan 6. from IDF shelling near al-Fakhoura school in Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza.
Suad Khaled Muhammad Abed-Rabo, 7, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with her sister, by IDF tankfire to her chest after her family, waving white flags, left their home in Izbat Beit Hanoun to search for water.
Amal Khaled Muhammad Abed-Rabo, 2, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza,killed, with her sister, by IDF tankfire to her chest after her family, waving white flags, left their home in Izbat Beit Hanoun to search for water.
Habib Khaled Ismail al-Kahlout, 14, of Beit Lahya, Gaza,killed, with a brother, an older brother, father and distant cousin, by an IDF missile while riding in a car through the Beit Lahya Housing Project.
Tawfiq Khaled Ismail al-Kahlout, 12, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with a brother, an older brother, father and distant cousin, by an IDF missile while riding in a car through the Beit Lahya Housing Project.
Muhammad Farid Ahmad al-Masawabi, 16, of Gaza City, Gaza,killed by an IDF missile near al-Taqwa mosque in Gaza City's Sheikh Radwan neighborhood.
Radwan Muhammad Radwan Ashour, 12, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by an IDF missile in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.
Abdul-Rahman Muhammad Radwan Ashour, 11, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by an IDF missile in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Lina Abdul-Monim Nafez Hasan, 10, of Jabalya refug...

2011-04-08T15:33:47.172-07:00

Lina Abdul-Monim Nafez Hasan, 10, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while at home near al-Fakhoura school in Jabalya refugee camp.
Ismail Adnan Hasan Hweila, 16,of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while at home near al-Fakhoura school in Jabalya refugee camp.
Bilal Hamza Ali Obeid, 17, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while at home near al-Fakhoura school in Jabalya refugee camp.
Ahed Iyad Muhammad Qadas, 14, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while at home near al-Fakhoura school in Jabalya refugee camp.
Muhammad Basem Ahmad Shaqoura, 9, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while at home near al-Fakhoura school in Jabalya refugee camp.
Ibrahim Ahmad Hasan Marouf, 15, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza.
Bashar Samir Musa Naji, 14, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Jabalya refugee camp.
Marwan Hasan Abdul-Muamin Qdeih, 5, of Abasan al-Kabira, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by an IDF shell near his home in Abasan al-Kabira.
Ranin Abdullah Ahmad Saleh, 12, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Jabalya refugee camp.
Shahid Husein Nazmi Sultan, 8,of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Jabalya refugee camp.

Your number is 90%? Ok. Let's plug that in to ...

2011-04-08T15:28:24.708-07:00

Your number is 90%? Ok. Let's plug that in to this list and see what we find. January 2009. I'll only include, children of age 14 and under. Fair?

No deaths of Israeli Children. Of any age (0-18).

Palestinian children killed in January of 2009
179+93=272

179 of the children stated below were 14 and under.

93 were 15 and older. We miscounted by 4, so...if you want to correct me feel free.

Mind you these are deaths from the single month of January in 2009.

What's great about the site I mentioned above (http://rememberthesechildren.org/remember2009.html) is:
not only does it tell you their
name,
age, and
where they died,
but it also tells you
how they died.
So your percentage of 90 percent of the "children" killed are teenaged boys is a little off. It's more like 65% (+/-3%) of the children killed were >=14.

If you consider that 13 and 14 is an appropriate age for a child to be able to fight/die in a war (mind you, Palestinians are not allowed to carry arms) then I think you should send your 13/14 year olds to war and see how that pans out.

Under the Geneva convention children are not allowed to be used as soldiers. Also under the Geneva convention is the restriction that civilians are not to be targeted.

If you consider children throwing rocks at soldiers to be an act of war,
then in Greece, whenever someone throws a rock at a stray dog to keep them off of their property, does that mean Greeks are declaring war on stray dogs?

If you want to dispute how many of the child deaths above were caused by suicide bombs, please, feel free to post some statistics, I'd love to continue this discussion.
Begin list of Palestinian child deaths:

I'm glad you cited Remember these children- lo...

2011-04-08T09:51:09.875-07:00

I'm glad you cited Remember these children- look at it- really look at it. You'll find that over 90% of the Palestinian "children" killed in this conflict are teenaged boys. The cynical use of children as soldiers in this conflict is a direct violation of the Geneva convention- and shows the willingness of the Palestinians to sacrifice and martyr their own children. Look at eth names of the Israel i children dead- equal numbers of girls and boys in all ages- that indicates to me that children were deliberately targetted for terror.

Do you interpret the results differently?

"From her talk, you would never know that hun...

2011-04-08T01:03:35.079-07:00

"From her talk, you would never know that hundreds of Israeli civilians died since 2000 in the terror war launched by Yasser Arafat. You would never know about the children sent to try to smuggle suicide bomb belts through checkpoints."

http://rememberthesechildren.org/remember2008.html

"She also would not answer several questions directly, such as how Israelis can feel secure in withdrawing from the West Bank if that will put Tel Aviv and Ben Gurion Airport in the range of rocket attacks"

Do New Yorkers feel secure about living in New York after 9/11? Does that mean that America has the right to seize control of another country? I know Americans typically do seize control of other countries in the name of their defense, but is it morally justified for them to do so?

"how Palestinian children are expected to learn peace if they are taught hate."

How are Israeli children expected to learn peace if they are taught to hate, to discriminate, to dominate and obliterate?
If you agree that my question is racist, than yours is also- the difference between mine and yours is that I'm asking the question for illustrative purposes whereas you are simply being a bigot.

"What is occupation?"
What is United Nations Security Council Resolution 242?

I was going to keep arguing but I think I made my point. UNSCR 242 pretty much voids anything you have to say. The only reason Israel hasn't had to comply is because of America, and I think their patience is running out.
1967 borders. Go. I have no problem with Jews at all...I'm actually concerned about the security and well being of the Israelis AND the Palestinians. Gaza is a human rights issue. Militant Palestinians are terrorists because Palestine does not have a military.
If someone came in to your house and took your stuff away, and then killed your father when he tried to stop them, you'd want to do something about it too...but violence is definitely not the right way of going about it.

This woman recognizes that there are devils among ...

2011-01-04T20:02:53.434-08:00

This woman recognizes that there are devils among all of us. There are no exclusive country/states, only prejudice among its occupants. Power by segregation has always failed. I appreciate her work, as it tells the story of lives oppressed. Why can't intelligent people grasp that concept?

I am a simple woman,my friend and I WENT To here m...

2010-06-04T12:48:42.107-07:00

I am a simple woman,my friend and I WENT To here ms.anna at aUNITARIAN.church insyr.n.y.I never was educated on resistance,but we totally harrased her whole speech.She looked like a frightedned little bunny rabbit.She did not want to discuss muslim terrorism.IT WAS GREAT FUN AND THE AUDIENCE WAS A BUNCH OF PUSSIES!aLL i KEPT SAYING WAS SELF HATEING JEWESS.....

I agree with John. You demonstrate abpsolute no ef...

2010-02-28T08:09:32.700-08:00

I agree with John. You demonstrate abpsolute no effort in actaully understanding what the other side is going through.
I would add to that the fact that your view points and those that support them are actually the reason why the conflit sees no end in sight. The fact that millions of Arabs (Christian, Jews and Mulsims alike) in the mid-East at the and the hands of Israel means absolutely nothing and for some reason you don't seem to think that it may be a reason why the little kids who grew up in that opressive environment may chose the path of terror. You seem to be OK with the fact that generations are now lost and more will be if this conflict doesn't get resolved. No one is belittleling what the Jews went through at the hands of the Nazis... but if you don't recognize the signs and similarities then you have a problem... "operation Break Bones"

By the way Anna know whay she's talking about.

Whenever I listen to the Pro-Israeli side, I look ...

2009-09-30T20:52:17.980-07:00

Whenever I listen to the Pro-Israeli side, I look for an acknowledgement from your side that what Israel is doing in the West Bank is illegal and a clear violation of basic human rights. I respect Anna a lot and don't see much fairness or willingness to seek understanding in your very biased post.

love, john + www.abundancetrek.com + "The day will come when, after harnessing space, the winds, the tides and gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, humankind will have discovered fire." -- Teilhard de Chardin

She's about to speak here in Nebraska. I apprecia...

2009-03-28T16:49:00.000-07:00

She's about to speak here in Nebraska. I appreciate your site as my daughter lived in Israel for a semester and returned definately pro-Israel. Thank you for presenting the Israeli side, now I'm going to send some more pizza to the IDF.

Anna Baltzer is an example of what we used to call...

2008-08-02T12:53:00.000-07:00

Anna Baltzer is an example of what we used to call "useful idiots" during the Cold War. She ignores the horrible acts that have been carried out by Palestinian terrorists and suicide bombers.

I don't know who pays for her to travel around the country-and the world, but no doubt it is some group(s) that hate America as much as Israel.

Gary Fouse
adjunct teacher
UCI-Ext
fousesquawk

She spoke at a Presbyterian church (what a surpris...

2008-07-31T13:40:00.000-07:00

She spoke at a Presbyterian church (what a surprise!), sponsored by a local group called "14 Friends of Palestine" and another group called "Keep Hope Alive" (which may or may not be the group by that name with a website that describes itself as "A virtual library with thousands of pages of condensed self-help information for the immune challenged").

Where did she speak? Who was the sponsor?

2008-07-31T13:20:00.000-07:00

Where did she speak? Who was the sponsor?

I also had to endure the rants and raves of Anna a...

2008-07-30T22:38:00.000-07:00

I also had to endure the rants and raves of Anna and her travels. I tried to educate her, but really decided to expose her lies so if there were any people in the audience that were ignorant of the real facts, that they would leave the lecture and attempt to research further to see that she is just a ....liar. It ended up being a battle of the wills, but when I told her my son, was a solider in the IDF trying to protect people like her, who are used a goons for the enemy, and that she would be shot by them in the end, because she was a Jew. I had to walk out, as I got jeered and yelled at by the "Jewish" women in black org. and decided that time would be better spent trying to speak to people who are open the hearing BOTH sides, and having an intellectual lecture with facts, other than Pappe and Said. Thank you for your post. It is true, informative,and keep up the good work.