tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445934795757240361.post9214683985844883656..comments2023-11-12T08:44:12.259-08:00Comments on BlueTruth: A response to the organizers Israel Apartheid Week at UC BerkeleyAvi Schwartzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09583941877380404390noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445934795757240361.post-71104602127973522262009-03-15T11:54:00.000-07:002009-03-15T11:54:00.000-07:00How do separate legal systems, separate water and ...How do separate legal systems, separate water and electricity and different voting rights for israelis and Palestinians living on the opposite side of the same road in the Territories qualify as security reasons?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Uh, remember Oslo? The Palestinians are self ruled. <BR/><BR/>"The aim of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations within the current Middle East peace process is, among other things, to establish a Palestinian Interim Self-Government Authority, the elected Council (the "Council"), for the Palestinian people in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, for a transitional period ".<BR/><BR/>They would only be under the same laws as Israelis if they had been annexed,as as far as I can tell, neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis want that.<BR/><BR/>By the way, where I live, and throughout America, each city town, county, etc has separate water, sewage and electrical systems.....and I'm sure its that way where you live, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445934795757240361.post-1702516544402932092009-03-13T01:26:00.000-07:002009-03-13T01:26:00.000-07:00not to mention legal barriers for Israeli Arabs wi...not to mention legal barriers for Israeli Arabs wishing to live in Jewish-only communities within Israel, as exposed in the Qaadan case. What's the connection to security there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445934795757240361.post-4698016872474696272009-03-13T01:24:00.000-07:002009-03-13T01:24:00.000-07:00I meant that Khaldi is being paid to defend.How do...I meant that Khaldi is being paid to defend.<BR/><BR/>How do separate legal systems, separate water and electricity and different voting rights for israelis and Palestinians living on the opposite side of the same road in the Territories qualify as security reasons?<BR/><BR/>and the Jewish right for self determination should be exercised in a way that doesn't ignore other people's right for self determination, not by keeping Israeli Arabs under control or forcibly keeping refugees out of the country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445934795757240361.post-69618312485324258112009-03-09T22:17:00.000-07:002009-03-09T22:17:00.000-07:00Its a simple case of "words mean what I SAY they m...Its a simple case of "words mean what I SAY they mean!" Although the word "apartheid", is a legal term of art, which includes a definitional requirement of race based intent, in addition to "separation. Its not just a matter of "what", but also "why." South Africa's specific intent was race based, both as stated and as practiced. Israel's specific intent is security based. It is both an abuse of the word "apartheid", and a libelous use, when applied to Israel. <BR/><BR/>RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445934795757240361.post-71198216239610553082009-03-08T19:28:00.000-07:002009-03-08T19:28:00.000-07:00(what, we're not going to be getting paychecks fro...(what, we're not going to be getting paychecks from the Worldwide Zionist Conspiracy Network?) <BR/><BR/>And let's really get to the point here-- the organizers (and, presumably most supporters) of "Israel Apartheid Week" at UC Berkeley declare on their website (berkeley dot apartheidweek dot org) that "The system of Israeli Apartheid established in 1948 is the root of the conflict." <BR/><BR/>So the issue of West Bank settlements in a straw man argument. They don't care whether Israeli sovereignty extends to the areas formerly illegaly occupied by Jordan or is only within the 1949 Armistice lines (which were never recognized by the Arabs as borders)--they don't accept the Jewish people's right to self-determination anywhere.<BR/><BR/>And that is the policy that they are being funded to defend.DrMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06226700783605287653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445934795757240361.post-51393822922703858712009-03-08T19:10:00.000-07:002009-03-08T19:10:00.000-07:00The "settlements" you are referring to include Bet...The "settlements" you are referring to include Betar Illit, Ariel, Givat Ze’ev, Maale Adumim, Efrat and Geva Binyamin- which both sides agree will remain with Israel and will not be part of any future Palestinian state.<BR/><BR/>Incidently, most people who are acquainted with the history of the region do not consider Gush Etzion a "settlement" - this was Jewish land until it was ethnically cleansed by the Jordanians in 1948.<BR/><BR/>If you aren't acquainted with the massacre of Kfar Etzion you should read about it- the surrendering Jews were mowed down by machine gun fire. Jews that sought shelter in a monastery were killed with hand grenades.<BR/><BR/>*****<BR/><BR/>We are not being "paid" to defend anything. We do this out of love and a sense of justice.Dustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06824185664523568683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445934795757240361.post-24324385529653195362009-03-08T10:29:00.000-07:002009-03-08T10:29:00.000-07:00"We are working hard to move toward a peace a..."We are working hard to move toward a peace agreement that recognizes the legitimate rights of both Israel and the Palestinian people"<BR/><BR/>The Ministry of Construction and Housing is planning to construct at least 73,300 housing units in the West Bank in 2009.<BR/>http://www.peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=61&docid=3566<BR/><BR/>this is the policy you are being paid to defend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com